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2020 ADBC Summit - Day 4: National Academy of Sciences' Survey Report, Looking forward with NSF Panel, and Panel Discussion/ Q&A - Shared screen with speaker view
Erica Krimmel, iDigBio
01:26:33
Link from Shirley's last slide: https://nationalacademies.org/biological-collections
Brent Mishler
01:35:04
Yay mosses! (on Roland’s slide)
Brent Mishler
01:40:01
A thought with respect to Roland’s point that any of the BIO programs can potentially involve bio collections — NSF could help us convince other types of biologists to make & deposit voucher specimens to document their work. I have mixed results convincing researchers about that on my own campus; a little NSF incentivizing would help! It could be written into guidelines for many programs.
Shirley Pomponi
01:41:01
We address this in the NASEM report—a requirement for a specimen management plan.
Brent Mishler
01:44:25
Hi Shirley — great that got included! It would be good for such a requirement to be fairly broad in BIO, not just restricted to DEB programs.
Linnea Hall
02:01:08
Thank you Reed, Roland, and Peter!
Erica Krimmel, iDigBio
02:02:20
https://bit.ly/idigbio-poll
Randy Singer
03:01:25
we don't ever charge for loans
Talia Karim
03:01:42
We do not charge for loans either
Petra Sierwald
03:01:43
FMNH does NOT charge for loans, ever
Randy Singer
03:02:02
come to think of it, we don't charge for anything
Trina Roberts (she/her)- NHMLA, DigIn
03:02:18
We don't charge for loans, but we do charge for some forms of reuse of photos and other similar kinds of derivatives.
Shirley Pomponi
03:02:19
This is more typical for the living stock collections—e.g., ATCC.
Ron Eng
03:02:20
We do not charge for loans
Linnea Hall
03:02:41
The WFVZ doesn't charge either, except for commercial loans. But not for research loans.
Randy Singer
03:03:30
I would love to charge late fees though...although we all know it might bankrupt some people ;)
Talia Karim
03:03:44
+1 Randy :)
Greg Watkins-Colwell (YPM)
03:03:45
I've had to pay for subsample of a tissue sample from other collections before. And for sure if we get DNA instead of tissue there's often a fee.
Christina Byrd
03:03:56
+1 Randy
Trina Roberts (she/her)- NHMLA, DigIn
03:04:03
For exhibition loans we sometimes make the borrower pay for some expenses that we would never charge for research loans.
Petra Sierwald
03:04:05
The late -loan-return fee is an intriguing idea
Karen Wright
03:05:38
Most of our users are graduate students, where would they get the money? University based folks are often prohibited from charging for identifications.
Ron Eng
03:06:24
Determinations can be especially problematic for paleontological collections
Richard Rabeler
03:07:41
This ties into the need for more efficient ways of sharing annotation data back to the providers.
Paula Mikkelsen
03:08:16
Identifications are opinions at a point in time. Locality data and other meta data need to be in good shape, but IDs can (and will) change.
Petra Sierwald
03:13:01
The correct ID is always the ultimate responsibility of the user of the specimen data
Talia Karim
03:14:32
Funding and infrastructure for workshops/trainings/webinars made possible by iDigBio over the last 10 years has been huge. At least for paleo.
Christina Byrd
03:15:33
+1 Talia
Lindsay Walker (NHMLA)
03:15:41
+1 Talia
Greg Watkins-Colwell (YPM)
03:15:53
+1 Talia
Christine Garcia (CAS)
03:17:51
+1 Talia
Ron Eng
03:18:29
+1 Talia
Karen Wright
03:18:39
+1 Talia
Karen Wright
03:20:58
I have had many queries about data points that have shown up on GBIF that have lead to either confirmation of range extensions or corrections of misidentifications. Users help to improve our data once it is visible.
Austin Mast
03:21:40
How about a big, mid-scale infrastructure grant in which the collections community gets through its accessioning backlogs by wrapping it in a new species discovery framework combined with DNA barcoding? There are undoubtedly many new species sitting in our unopened boxes to be discovered, and backlogs are such a planning millstone around our necks. We could digitize them as we go.
Richard Rabeler
03:27:32
Roland's point about the use of ADBC data in broad ecological studies emphasizes the need for improved data attribution.
John Bates
03:28:27
+1 Richard
Talia Karim
03:28:39
+1 Rich
Shirley Pomponi
03:29:28
The NASEM study addresses the attribution issue—no specific recommendations, but we’ve called it out as a challenge.
Rudiger Bieler
03:30:35
+1 Richard
Rudiger Bieler
03:32:28
Austin's point of finding a way to address backlog in a systematic/communal way is an important one
John Bates
03:34:29
I keep thinking that reviving a PEET type program may be needed to really accelerate that.
Ron Eng
03:34:44
Who does not have a backlog?
Peter McCartney
03:34:45
And DBI continues to invest in cyberinfrastructure associated with collections and biodiversity research through its bioinformatics and cyberinfrastructure programs
Peter McCartney
03:35:21
We require it now!
Rudiger Bieler
03:36:09
Ad-hoc taking on orphaned collections adds to backlog -- and taking care of such accessions does not easily fit into the current award structure
Karen Wright
03:36:46
Does the specimen management plan require a collaboration with a collection?
Trina Roberts (she/her)- NHMLA, DigIn
03:36:48
It will be important to get a statement from the institution where it's claimed specimens will be deposited saying that they are on board with the specimen management plan.
Talia Karim
03:37:12
+1 Trina
Talia Karim
03:37:28
Which often has to happen to get permits anyway
Shirley Pomponi
03:38:21
@Karen, the NASEM report did not specify a collaboration with a collection, but if NSF decides to incorporate this recommendation, those are important considerations.
Karen Wright
03:40:51
I suggest a collaboration be a requirement in the proposals. Collections cannot be held responsible if they don't know to expect it.
Shirley Pomponi
03:41:19
Journals publishing research on marine natural products are required to deposit specimens in an archival institu
Richard Rabeler
03:41:21
Karen +1
Shirley Pomponi
03:41:26
institution.
Ron Eng
03:41:28
Yes, we've always been willing to accept all scientifically significant specimens.
Shirley Pomponi
03:42:00
Sorry—requiring AUTHORS to include a description of the specimen(s) and deposit the sample in a museum.
Ron Eng
03:42:10
Karen +1
Shirley Pomponi
03:42:50
+1 Karen
Austin Mast
03:45:45
The strategic planning process for a collection is a great way to engage administrators, maybe
Peter McCartney
03:45:53
This Dear Colleague letter is specifically about digital data, but the point raised in paragraph 7 about including curation fees in research projects applies to collection respositories as well: https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2019/nsf19069/nsf19069.jsp
Petra Sierwald
03:46:12
It would be helpful if high level administrators would at least advice the collection staff to attend
Pamela Soltis
03:46:31
thanks, Peter!
John Bates
03:47:51
Some of this is about background. Our community could also benefit from training people from our community to go into administration. AZA has a program like this.
Austin Mast
03:51:24
How about AISL (https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2020/nsf20607/nsf20607.htm) at NSF for engaging new communities.
Austin Mast
03:51:41
Advancing Informal STEM Learning
Ron Eng
03:55:45
Thank you everyone!
Paula Mikkelsen
03:55:52
Thanks to all involved for an interesting 4 days!
Karen Wright
03:56:05
Thank you!
Petra Sierwald
03:56:15
Thank you Pam for leading the discussion, thanks to NSF officers
Dean Pentcheff — DigIn
03:56:16
Thanks to Reed, Roland, and Peter for being so open about NSF’s directions. Much appreciated.
Jillian Goodwin
03:57:36
Thank you Pam and to all our panelist speakers. That was great!
Ron Eng
03:57:42
Gil, thank you for all that you are doing!
Jessica Budke
03:58:01
Thanks to everyone for all the great information this week!
Jillian Goodwin
03:58:47
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René Corado (WFVZ)
04:00:22
Thank you all for the great information and hope for a better future.
Pamela Soltis
04:02:43
awesome job, core team - again!!!!
Pamela Soltis
04:03:40
thanks, everyone, for coming! great to see so many of you!!!
Ian Owens
04:03:44
Yes, great job everybody - delighted to be involved in the conversation and looking forward to future collaboration!
Jillian Goodwin
04:03:45
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